On CNN's front page, a poll is current running that indicates 44% of those who have so far voted favor "WaterBoarding" of individuals suspected of terrorism. This is an indication that the "Politics of Fear" are working, and Americans are not thinking this issue through, but are instead reacting to fear without understand the history of WaterBoarding, its history in regard the law, and the direct effect it could have on American prisoners of war.
Waterboarding Used to Be a CrimeBy Evan Wallach
Sunday, November 4, 2007; Page B01First, WaterBoarding is considered torture, it's against international law and defies the Geneva Convention - which the United States was instrumental in forming and signed. It is bad enough that our President refuses to comply with our own rule of law, much less international law, however it's sad to note that his decision appears to enjoy support from those that may now understand the implications and danger of WaterBoarding.
The United States knows quite a bit about waterboarding. The U.S. government -- whether acting alone before domestic courts, commissions and courts-martial or as part of the world community -- has not only condemned the use of water torture but has severely punished those who applied it.
After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and death."
Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials. Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding. MUCH MORE
If more people knew these facts and the resulting international outrage, the danger it presents to our own troops when captured, but most of all, allowing us to apply a double-standard to ourselves when we have actually convicted others who have been guilty of this exact crime in wars that most of us no longer remember; we're better than that, and I would urge everyone to vote in that poll and express the outrage of a country that has for far too long ignored the rule of law and international treaties of which we were instrumental in creating and urging others to sign. The hypocrisy is staggering, and it does nothing to repair our image that many nations now label as "dangerous" and "imperialistic."
I would urge anyone who is awake, now and tomorrow if the poll is still running to express our general outrage that our own country has violated our own, plus several international laws in the pursuit of Bush polices that continue to tarnish the image of the United States. Vote at CNN .
William Cormier
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The Torture Myth - Besides being immoral and illegal it doesn't work
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2302-2005Jan11.html
retired Air Force Col. John Rothrock, who, as a young captain, headed a combat interrogation team in Vietnam. More than once he was faced with a ticking time-bomb scenario: a captured Vietcong guerrilla who knew of plans to kill Americans. What was done in such cases was "not nice," he says. "But we did not physically abuse them." Rothrock used psychology, the shock of capture and of the unexpected.
Army Col. Stuart Herrington, a military intelligence specialist who conducted interrogations in Vietnam, Panama and Iraq during Desert Storm, and who was sent by the Pentagon in 2003 -- long before Abu Ghraib -- to assess interrogations in Iraq. Aside from its immorality and its illegality, says Herrington, torture is simply "not a good way to get information." In his experience, nine out of 10 people can be persuaded to talk with no "stress methods" at all, let alone cruel and unusual ones. Asked whether that would be true of religiously motivated fanatics, he says that the "batting average" might be lower: "perhaps six out of ten." And if you beat up the remaining four? "They'll just tell you anything to get you to stop." LINK
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astonishing, isn't it. Do
astonishing, isn't it. Do they know they are fascists?
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About half of the 44% who
About half of the 44% who support waterboarding are MBA's and other parasites who support anything connected with low taxes. Grover Norquist likes waterboarding, so... Hurrah for waterboarding!
The other 22% thought it was a question about laundry.
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Isn't anyone writing
Isn't anyone writing anything up-to-date here?
__________________________And my nephew thought waterboarding was wake-boarding,
i.e., riding a board behind a boat. Do people really think that torture is ok?
Where can I read about politics?
lcsartori
I thought wake-boarding was
I thought wake-boarding was washboarding... riding a para-board in the prop wash of a helicopter, sort of like sailboarding with no sail. Washboarding is still not an Olympic sport because of problems with liability insurance for helicopters.
Washboarding as an interrogation technique... basically just throwing detainees out of helicopters... is now illegal everywhere except Somalia, Kazakhstan, and the United States.
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Not only is this an internet
Not only is this an internet poll, it is an open entry freakin CNN poll. The real number is probably off by a lot. In fact, Gallup conducted a poll in 2005 that asked if [defined] water boarding was an acceptable method, and 16% said it was acceptable, 82% no, and 2% had no opinion. It had a smaller N than Gallup usually uses, but considering the trends have been sliding more and more against torture over a few years, it's probably been repolled. It seems pretty obvious to me that CNN's polling, as usual, sucks my privates.