Abstract. Given corporation dominance of the media and its multiple sources of bias, dependence upon the internet for less subjective, if not completely objective, information has become important to those who want to discover truths about domestic politics and foreign affairs. Some of our most popular internet sources, however, can display bias of their own. I offer as an example my experience with the Daily Kos, a site that we would all expect to be “fair and balanced”. The abuse to which I was subjected was not only corrupt but actually self-defeating, if the aim is discovering truth rather than, say, misleading the public.
Madison, WI (March 30, 2008) – About two weeks ago, I received an email from someone who had read a piece I published on OpEdNews, Bush vendetta, in which I discussed the psychological dimensions that have enabled the Vice President to manipulate the President and how their tendency toward retribution for revealing information about the administration's malfeasance had led to exposing Valerie Plame, taking out Eliot Spitzer, and now removing Admiral Fallon. My correspondent suggested that it might find a welcome audience at Daily Kos, among the most popular web sites for discussion of political issues on the net.
So I visited the web site and, after poking around, discovered how to register. I identified as my website, http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/, and my email address, jfetzer@d.umn.edu, authoring a brief signature reading McKnight Professor Emeritus, University of Minnesota, Duluth; Founder, Scholars for 9/11 Truth; Editor, Assassination Research. It would be a week before I could post a “diary”, so I bade my time and, when the week was up – Saturday, March 22, 2008 – I posted my first diary, “Hillary's Perfidy”, pointing out – as is now so painfully apparent – that she is willing to destroy the party to advance her own interests.
The Hillary post was moderately well-received with 19 comments. The next day, I posted my second – and, it would turn out, my last – diary, “What’s Wrong with Rev. Wright?” Like most Americans, I was aware of the enormous controversy surrounding sermons given by Jeremiah Wright, Jr., who was the minister at Barach Obama’s church, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. (Given his attendance over a 20 year interval, it is astounding that his faith has been contested.) But, unlike most Americans, my background of scholarly research placed me in a better position to investigate and evaluate what he actually said.
In the space of just three hours – from its appearance at 9 AM/PT on Sunday, March 23, until noon – I would be called “a pathological liar” (Mia Dolan), “a banned troll” (Mia Dolan), my diary described as “tin-foil” (DHinMI), where “that sh*t (about the origin of AIDS) has been completely debunked” (Mia Dolan) and is “just pure garbage” (Mia Dolan). In response to the observation, “Generally, it’s well thought out and accurate, and he does make other numerous valid points about Wright”, Mia Dolan would respond, “How the f**k would you know?”, adding “He doesn’t link anything”, even though I cite eleven articles, twelve books and a DVD. Then, at noon, I would be banned.
Now I am only one person and I would not claim that my experience with Daily Kos is typical of the experience of others with that or with similar sites. Yet in certain respects, it provides a telling illustration of the abuse of a popular site to artificially constrain discussion of rather important subjects, which thus guarantees that those subjects cannot be adequately explored. When certain hypotheses are “ruled out” and banned on the ground they are (for some reason) “inappropriate”, we risk excluding the true hypothesis from consideration and thus make it impossible for the truth to emerge from (what should be) a process of rational deliberation and scientific evaluation, if truth is the objective.
What’s Wrong with Rev. Wright?
Taking the article, “Obama and the Minister” (The Wall Street Journal, March 14, 2008) as my point of departure, my diary had investigated nine of his more inflammatory claims. It was relatively effortless to determine that six of those claims were obviously true and that the other three were at least not obviously false. Having spent 35 years teaching logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning, I took it for granted that an analysis of evidence for or against the truth of Rev. Wright’s claims would be welcomed by those who post at Daily Kos. The first 18-20 comments on it were complimentary and appreciative.
Many of Rev. Wright’s claims to racism and the nation’s history were in the category of “common knowledge”, where almost everyone knows, for example, that the settlers were at war with Native Americans, who were eradicated in numbers that may rival those of the Holocaust, and that hundreds of thousands of blacks were kidnapped from their home in Africa and involuntarily relocated here to live the rest of their lives as slaves. Others were on more controversial subjects, including one on Zionism that I supposed would invite dissent. I wrote as follows:
Wright’s claim #8: “We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . .”
Accuracy: True. Osama bin Laden long ago explained his displeasure with the United States, not because of our “freedom”, but because we had stationed military forces in Saudi Arabia, the home of Mecca and Medina, two of the most sacred sites in Islam, and because of our lopsided support of Israel in its dispute with the Palestinians. Anti-Semitism is discounting persons and their interests on the ground of their religion or their ethnic origins. Criticism of Israel or of the government of Israel or of the policies of the government of Israel is not “anti-Semitism”, yet it is common practice to condemn those who are even mildly critical of Israel as “anti-Semites”.
The blatancy of US support for Israel knows no bounds. As Wilmer Leon III has observed (“The Rev. Dr. Jermiah Wright and the Audacity of Truth”, March 22, 2008), the Arms Exports Control Act forbids providing military assistance to any country engaging in the gross violation of human rights. “In spite of all of the evidence supporting claims of the Israeli government’s human rights abuses of the Palestinian people, for FY2005 the United States provided $2.22 billion in military aid.” Indeed, I find knowledge that the tanks, planes, and bullets that are being used to subjugate and oppress the Palestinian people are being financed by the American taxpayer personally nauseating.
During debates for the Republican nomination, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) frequently pointed out that the United States had engendered the hostility and the hatred of foreign nationals, including many in the Middle East who happen to be Muslim in their religion, for those very reasons. Yet Rudy Giuliani, the former Mayor of New York, who campaigned as the hero of 9/11, suggested that Paul’s explanation was absurd. And yet, as Paul replied, even The 9/11 Commission Report (2004) outlined reasons of this very kind in its attempt to explain the events of 9/11, which, even on the official account of The 9/11 Commission, resulted as “blowback” for unjust foreign policies.
The Attacks on My Column
Rather to my surprise, the attacks took a different approach. Many of them were posted by one “Mia Doran”. Here is one of her first:
Wow
What is wrong with people here? Repeating long-debunked bullsh*t about the origin of aids? Fetzer is a pathological liar and the head of one of the big 9-11 conspiracy groups. He is also a banned troll who is going to be banned again very shortly.
by Mia Dolan on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:22:23 AM PDT
This post reflected themes that would be repeated by her ally, one “Bouwerie Boy”, who would write, when someone asked, “Why?”, in reply to a post requesting a “Ban” button, Bouwerie Boy responded,
Ummmm, beause Fetzer is here to post
conspiracy theory diaries. That's what Fetzer does. As you know, posting CT diaries at this site is prohibited.
by Bouwerie Boy on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:24:45 AM PDT
All of this came as news to me, including that I had been previously banned. Making a big deal out of my commentary about AIDS was completely misplaced, given that I was not asserting that AIDS had been deliberately designed to target specific populations but only explaining that, whether he (Wright) is right or wrong, the experts who hold that opinion are numerous enough and qualified enough to make his (Wright’s) opinion at least not obviously wrong. That Mia Dolan thought it was “long-debunked” was irrelevant to what I had said for understanding what Wright had had to say. I had written:
Wright’s claim #9: “We started the AIDS virus . . .”
Accuracy: Mixed. A variety of theories have been advanced according to which AIDS has been created deliberately as a disease intended to harm or even eradicate gays and blacks or as a mean of population control. According to Wikipedia (“AIDS conspiracy theories”), Jakob Segal, a biology professor at Humboldt University, has proposes that HIV was engineered at a military laboratory at Fort Detrick, by splicing together two other viruses; TIME magazine reports that Nobel Peace Prize laureate Wangari Maathai has theorized that the biological agent causing AIDS is not natural; and Dr. Alan Cantwell, author of AIDS and the Doctors of Death (1992) and of Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot (1993), alleges that HIV is a genetically modified organism developed by US Government scientists.
Similar theories have been advanced by other experts, including Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz, author of Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola (1996) of the DVD, Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare, who has offered the theory that AIDS virus engineered by U.S. Government defense contractors for the purposes of bio-warfare and population control. In Horowitz case, he believes that Jews, blacks, and Hispanics are prime targets of these attempts, which exemplify American preoccupation with eugenics and even the practice of genocide. If Rev. Wright is mistaken here, as elsewhere, he appears to be in good company. He is not obviously wrong.
Why They Were Off Base
Everything I wrote here is true. These experts – Jakob Segal, Wangari Maathai, Alan Cantwell, and Leonard Horowitz – have published books and articles advancing these opinions. One of them – Maathai – is a Nobel Prize winner! I thought this was convincing evidence that, even if he (Wright) were wrong, there is more than enough evidence on his side to make his opinion at least not obviously wrong. Moreover, how in the world does Mia Dolan know that these experts are mistaken? As a student of the theory of knowledge and of the philosophy of science, I wrote a response to explain that proof here would be difficult to find:
As a point of logic, hypotheses about the origin of AIDS are existential claims (like the existence of life in outer space) that can be verified (if you can find a specific example) but cannot be falsified (because you would have to examine every space/time point in the universe with a negative result). Consequently, we should not expect to establish the origin of AIDS definitively. Moreover, with the acquisition of new data or new hypotheses, previously accepted conclusions may have to be rejected and previously rejected conclusions accepted. I have no idea if these experts are right, but they afford a context for Wright’s views.
These may not be my exact words, because before I had even finished my response, it was deleted along with an earlier one that addressed the nature of conspiracy theories. It is correct that some of my work has been devoted to the study of political events that may have been conspiracies, including three edited books on the death of JFK, one co-authored book on the crash that took the life of Sen. Paul Wellstone, and an edited book and a DVD investigating 9/11. As a professional philosopher, however, my objective – and that of my colleagues – has been to take rumor and speculation out of each of these cases and to place their study on an objective and scientific foundation. Moreover, these five books and a DVD hardly exhaust the scope of my research.
Given my signature included “Founder, Scholars for 9/11 Truth; Editor, Assassination Research”, I doubted that it would come as a surprise to many that I am the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth or that I edit an on-line journal devoted to advanced study of the assassination of JFK. My offense, apparently, is that my applied philosophical research uses the principles of scientific reasoning to investigate political events that may have explanations that the government has suppressed, an area of inquiry I have referred to as “assassination science”. It has yielded significant results related to the death of JFK and the Wellstone crash, as anyone can verify by consulting a sample of our publications. So I wrote about the exclusion of conspiracy theories from any discussion:
Since conspiracies involve collusion between two or more persons to attain illegal ends, excluding any discussion of conspiracy theories is unlikely to contribute to the discovery of truth. Does this mean that we can’t discuss the exposure of Valerie Plame, the resignation of Eliot Spitzer, the removal of Admiral Fallon? Or the role of Halliburton, Blackwater, and KBR ripping off the American taxpayer in Iraq? Indeed, on the government’s official account, 9/11 was brought about by 19 Islamic fundamentalists who took control of four airliners and outfoxed the most sophisticated air defense system in the world to perpetrate these crimes under control of a man in a cave in Afghanistan. Since that is a conspiracy theory, is the most important event of the 21st C. something we can’t discuss?
Once again, this is a reconstruction, because this post, like my other post, was deleted when I was cut off from the discussion. The oddest aspect, however, is that I was alleged to have been previously banned in 2005 while using the handle, “Monsieur le Prof”. My research on Daily Kos indicated that someone using this name had made more than 700 posts on the web site, most prior to 2005, and had been banned. The only problem was that I was not really active on the internet before I founded Scholars in December 2005, that I have never posted under any name than my own, and that I had not previously joined Daily Kos. So I was being banned on the basis of a false identification!
Attempting to “Contact Us”
Presuming that Daily Kos was committed to fair play with its members and would want to correct any mistakes that were being made by its enforcers, such as a misidentification, I wrote to the founder of Daily Kos, Markos Moulitsas Zúniga (“Kos”), using a Contact Us form from the site. Since Markos has received high praise for creating this site and appears to be a person of principle, I presumed this would lead to a rapid resolution of the issues that had arisen. That, alas, would prove to be very naïve of me, since matters only became worse and my efforts to correct the situation would prove entirely unavailing.
While I was waiting to hear from Kos, I noticed that Mia Nolan had taken it upon herself to change the tags to my article. Where I had used “Rev. Wright, Barack Obama, Obama's minister, racism, drugs, Zionism, militarism, Osama bin Laden, Ron Paul, AIDS, ‘God damn America!’, hypocrisy”, somehow along the line the last two had been dropped. But she had thoughtfully added “conspiracy” and “tinfoil” and, concluding those were not enough, “banned user”. I would have explained that those were inappropriate and even untrue, except my posting privileges had now been suspended. I was left a sitting duck.
In the absence of hearing anything from Kos, I had noticed a list of a dozen or more “authors”, whom I inferred were actually editors, as I confirmed when I read the page, About Daily Kos. Much heartened by the apparent quality of the editors, I proceeded to send a post similar to the one I had sent to Kos to each of them. In this case, I actually received a response from one of them, Mark Sumner, who goes by the handle “Devilstower”. In this case, I have a copy of the letter I sent to him, which laid out the odd experience to which I had been subjected:
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM,
Devilstower,
I am a new member to Daily Kos. I am being viciously attacked for a very objective and informative piece on Rev. Wright. For noting that he is either right or at least not obviously wrong about any of nine controversial claims I address, including one about AIDS, where I observe that a number of experts hold views like his, I am being pilloried as a "f**king liar", "Nazi", and who knows what.
It is also claimed that I have previously posed here under the name, "Monsieur le Prof". From what I can tell, someone using that name put up more than 700 posts, most in 2005 and before. Whoever this person may have been, s/he was not me. I founded Scholars in December 2005 and was not active on the internet prior to that, to the best of my recollection. Certainly, if I had posted 700 times on Daily Kos, I would know that.
Can past records be checked? Some very inflammatory attacks are being made based upon the supposition that we are one and the same. That is false. Moreover, having reviewed a sample of "le Prof"'s posts, his style and mine are completely different. He writes in short and even simple-minded sentence, while I write in complex paragraphs. I did not expect to encounter universal agreement here, but there appear to be no standards for enforcing decorum. This is completely wrong.
Does Kos not take pains to make sure that a modicum of decorum is preserved in its exchanges? The abuse to which I have been subjected is outrageous. When I penned replies to some of these attacks, they were deleted. Now my capacity to respond has been deactivated. This is an extremely form of disrespect that does not reflect well on Daily Kos. Can steps to correct this situation and insure that it does not occur again? Thanks for listening.
Jim
James H. Fetzer
McKnight Professor Emeritus
University of Minnesota, Duluth
http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/
Since Mark Sumner has published 32 novels and is a winner of the “Writers of the Future” Award, I supposed I was in good hands and that the matter would now be rapidly resolved. When I found that Mia Nolan had changed the tags on my article, I sent him a brief note. In the end, however, I heard nothing more from him. So on March 24, 2008, I sent a note asking, “Can you fill me in on what happened? What am I missing?” But if Mark was troubled by what had happened to me, I never learned. If he was concerned, then he may have been outvoted or otherwise overruled in correcting a bad situation. This is as close as I came to actually hearing from anyone who runs the site.
“Lasers from Space”
One of the attacks I was looking forward to discussing was posted by Mia Nolan, which suggested that I endorse the position that the Twin Towers were brought down by “lasers from space” as follows:
Hey Fetzer
How are your Nazi friends in the 9-11 truth movement doing? I really enjoyed reading about how the towers were destroyed by lasers from space.
by Mia Dolan on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:29:25 AM PDT
This is a perfect example of the adverse effects that follow from the artificial constriction of debate on complex and controversial issues. (I have long been convinced, by the way, that they are the only subjects worth discussing. The simple and uncontroversial don’t need debate!) In particular, having invested considerable time and effort in the study of 9/11, including the publication of one book and of a DVD as well as maintaining the Society’s web site since its creation in January 2006, I have been through a great deal of discussion and debate on topics like this one. Ordinarily, however, participants have a chance to respond.
Scientific reasoning involves four steps or stages: Puzzlement, where something has occurred that does not fit with your background beliefs and knowledge; Speculation, where alternative possible explanations are enumerated; Adaptation, where the hypotheses are evaluated in relation to the available relevant evidence; and Explanation, where the best supported hypothesis becomes acceptable when enough evidence becomes available (roughly, when the evidence has “settled down”). I have found that most students of 9/11 are not sufficiently familiar with the evidence to grasp the complexity and dimensions of what needs to be explained, where my book and DVD are intended as a contribution.
The alternative possible explanations for the destruction of the World Trade Center include natural phenomena, including, say, hurricanes, tornados or earthquakes; or aircraft impacts and jet-fuel based fires; conventional methods, including termite or thermate, RDX and such; or unconventional methods, such as (a) nukes (atomic or hydrogen, fourth generation) or (b) high-tech weaponry, such as lasers, masers, plasmoids or other devices. High-tech weapons like these could be positioned on the ground, in aircraft, on dirigibles or on satellites. The current state of research suggests that the effects observed on 9/11 were unlikely to have been produced by other than one or another of these high-tech devices, but how this was done remains unresolved.
The use of the phrase, “lasers from space”, advances what is known as a straw man, where an exaggerated version of a position is offered in place of the real thing to make it easier to discount. We don’t know if lasers were involved or, if they were, where they were situated. But Bob Bowman, Lt. Col (USAF, ret.), who earned his Ph.D. in nuclear engineering from Cal Tech, has recently acknowledged that the “Star Wars” research program, which he directed under Presidents Carter and Ford, as always intended to be offensive. That requires the militarization of space, which no doubt includes lasers on satellites. Those who ridicule the very idea thereby display their own ignorance.
Concluding Reflections
During the three hour interval between posting my column on Rev. Wright and my being banned, some 54 comments were posted. The first 18-20 were thoughtful, supportive, and frequently rather detailed. The onslaught of more than 30 attacks to which I was subsequently subjected, however, were very different in their character, typically – to borrow a phrase from Hobbs – nasty brutish, and short. One of the most interesting exchanges to occur, therefore, was the last to appear, where “bfitz” offered observations on the banning of trolls:
banning trolls
The trolls can easily be identified as those who have little if anything to add to the subject at hand and resort mostly to name-calling and insults. I am sure the distinguished professor of philosophy is shaking in his boots from your juvenile antics. If you are in disagreement with him, then present your case. Your current tactics only bring disrespect and contempt from the vast majority on this website.
by bfitz on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:46:44 PM PDT
Not to be reprimanded for abusive behavior, Mia Dolan was on top of the situation and promptly replied in her own inimitable style:
Shut the f**k up
How the f**k would you know, since you signed up last week. Oh, that's right, you are a banned troll.
by Mia Dolan on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 01:33:59 PM PDT
The Daily Kos, of course, is a public website where anyone can view the diaries that are being posted and the commentaries about them. That I should have been treated so contemptuously by a handful of self-appointed “guardians of truth” perhaps ought to have come as no surprise. That false claims and verbal abuse was heaped on me for no apparent good reason could be dismissed as behavior that is expected on the internet. What bothers me is that I acted to inform those who manage Daily Kos about these forms of abuse and to let them know that I was not the person they had previously banned – to no avail.
That no one at Daily Kos – including Kos himself – cared enough to taken any corrective action bothers me. That not even the editor who was credited with having cut me off – Joan McCarter (mcjoan) – wrote back to seek clarification of what she had done astonishes me. That a web site widely celebrated for its important contributions should abuse its contributors sickens me. I can always find other outlets for my research. But Daily Kos describes itself as “the premier political community in the United States, with traffic of about 600,000 daily visits.” Sites like this are supposed to uphold the standards of freedom of speech and of inquiry, not suppress them. Surely Daily Kos can do better.
__________________________
McKnight Professor Emeritus, University of Minnesota, Duluth; Founder, Scholars for 9/11 Truth; Editor, Assassination Research

You probably weren't banned
You probably weren't banned for criticizing Obama and Wright... As you can see from my user's page on DKos at http://www.dailykos.com/user/Jacob%20Freeze I've written a dozen diaries very critical of Obama, and I'm still there.
It's almost certainly your association with Scholars for 9/11. kos absolutely will not allow posts on this subject, and usually bans anyone associated with it. There's a significant commitment to keeping the site open to different voices, on almost any subject, but kos drew a line at 9/11.
MyDD.com is another site besides Diatribune that might be congenial to you, and it's full of exiles from Daily Kos.
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Jacob, I quite agree. The
Jacob,
I quite agree. The ban on discussion of 9/11 is absurd,
unless you already know what happened. Since THE
9/11 COMMISSION REPORT (2004) did not tell us,
it is difficult to understand why Daily Kos adopts
this policy, unless it wants to suppress discussions
that might lead to better understanding of those events.
Jim
__________________________McKnight Professor Emeritus, University of Minnesota, Duluth; Founder, Scholars for 9/11 Truth; Editor, Assassination Research
I happen to agree with kos
I happen to agree with kos about 9/11 on DK, not because I think the Commission's report is much more than a whitewash, but because it really isn't a subject that lends itself to discussion in an open forum.
It may start out beautifully with a careful presentation by someone like you or Steven Jones, but then all sorts of crazies swarm out of the woodwork and the threads fill up with garbage. This isn't speculation... it's what actually happened before the ban, and kos ended up hosting some incredibly nasty anti-Jewish comments by people who were only using 9/11 as a peg to hang their hate on.
I absolutely do not mean to impugn the careful work that you and Dr. Jones have done on this subject, but after crazies and haters swarmed this issue time after time on Daily Kos, I think it was reasonable for kos shut it down.
All the rational voices had been drowned out anyway.
I also don't mean that I think you should have been banned from Daily Kos. That site could really use a few more intelligent and deeply educated commenters like you, but I'm not sure you would have been happy there anyway, since one of your main interests is taboo.
That's a longer post that I intended to write. Apparently there's some sort of glitch in my compression algorithm!
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That is very disappointing,
That is very disappointing, Jacob. 9/11 has been used to justify restricting our civil rights, placing the nation under surveillance, conducting wars of aggression in violation of international law, the UN Charter, and the US Constitution. If the public only better understood that what we have been told about 9/11 is a sham, we would see these acts have no justification.
I should elaborate. As the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, I observe that our members, building on prior research by earlier students of 9/11, have established more than a dozen disproofs of the official government account, the truth of any one of which is enough to show that what we have been told--in one or another of its guises--cannot possibly be correct.
1. The impact of the planes cannot have caused enough damage to bring the buildings down, since the buildings were designed to withstand them (as Frank DeMartini, the project manager, has observed), the planes that hit were very similar to those they were designed to withstand, and they continued to stand after those impacts with negligible effects.
2. The melting point of steel at 2,800*F is about 1,000*F higher than the maximum burning temperature of jet-fuel-based fires, which do not exceed 1,800*F under optimal conditions, so the fires cannot have caused the steel to melt, which means that melting steel did not bring the buildings down. If that could happen, camping stoves and lanterns would melt and jet engines would be falling off airplanes.
3. UL certified the steel in the buildings up to 2,000*F for three or four hours before it would even significantly weaken, where these fires burned too low and too briefly at an average temperature of around 500*F--about one hour in the South Tower and one and a half in the North--to have even caused the steel to weaken, much less melt.
4. If the steel had melted or weakened, the affected floors would have displayed completely different behavior, with some asymmetrical sagging and tilting, which would have been gradual and slow, not the complete, abrupt, and total demolition that was observed.
5. William Rodriguez, the senior custodian in the North Tower and the last man to leave the building, has reported massive explosions in the subbasements that effected extensive destruction, including the demolition of a 50-ton hydraulic press and ripping the skin off a fellow worker, a report corroborated by the testimony of around three dozen other custodians.
6. Willie reported that the explosion occurred prior to the airplane's impact, a claim that has now been substantiated in a new study by Craig Furlong and Gordon Ross, "Seismic Proof: 9/11 was an Inside Job", which demonstrates that these explosions actually took place as much as 14 and 17 seconds prior to the airplanes impacts.
7. Heavy steel construction buildings like the Twin Towers, built with more than 100,000 tons of steel, are not even capable of "pancake collapse", which normally only occurs with concrete structures of "lift slab" construction and could not occur in "redundant" welded-steel buildings, such as the towers, unless every supporting column were removed at the same time, as Charles Pegelow, a structural engineer, has pointed out to me.
8. The destruction of the Twin Towers in approximately 10 seconds apiece is about the same speed as free fall with only air resistance, which, as Judy Wood, a former professor of mechanical engineering at Clemson, has emphasized, is an astounding result that would have been impossible without an extremely powerful source of energy far beyond plane crashes, jet-fuel based fires, and "pancake" collapses.
9. The towers are exploding from the top, not collapsing to the ground, where the floors do not move, a phenomenon that Judy Wood has likened to two gigantic trees turning to sawdust from the top down, which, like the pulverization of the concrete, the official account cannot possibly explain. If you need more evidence to convince you of this fact, watch footage of their destruction as many times as you like.
10. WTC-7 came down in a classic controlled demolition at 5:20 PM/ET after Larry Silverstein suggested the best thing to do might be to "pull it", displaying all the characteristics of classic controlled demolitions, including a complete, abrupt, and total collapse into its own footprint, where the floors are all falling at the same time, and so forth, an event so embarrassing to the official account that it is not even mentioned in THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT.
11. The hit point at the Pentagon was too small to accommodate a 100-ton airliner with a 125-foot wingspan and a tail that stands 44 feet above the ground; the kind and quantity of debris was wrong for a Boeing 757: no wings, no fuselage, no seats, no bodies, no luggage, no tail! Which means that the building was not hit by a Boeing 757.
12. The Pentagon's own videotape does not show a Boeing 757 hitting the building, as even Bill O'Reilly admitted when it was shown on "The Factor"; but at 155 feet, the plane was more than twice as long as the 77-foot Pentagon is high and should have been present and visible; it was not, which means that the building was not hit by a Boeing 757.
13. Pilots for 9/11 Truth have analyzed black box data allegedly from the Pentagon plane and discovered that it contradicts the official account in direction, approach, and altitude: it was 300 feet too high to have taken out the lampposts and 100 feet too high to have hit the building itself.
14. The aerodynamics of flight would have made the official trajectory--flying at high speed barely above ground level--physically impossible; and if it had come it at an angle instead, it would have created a massive crater; but there is no crater and the government has no way out, which means that the building was not hit by a Boeing 757.
15. If Flight 93 had come down as advertised, then there would have been a debris field of about a city block in size, but in fact the debris is distributed over an area of about eight square miles, which would be explainable if the plane had been shot down in the air but not if it had crashed as required by the government's official scenario.
There are more, especially about the alleged hijackers, including that they were not competent to fly the planes; their names were not on the first passenger manifests; they were not subject to autopsy; several have turned up alive and well; the cell phone calls appear to have been impossible; on and on. The evidence may be found at 911Scholars.org. For discussion on the Daily Kos, I cannot imagine any subject of greater urgency.
The anti-war movement and the 9/11 truth movement ought to be inextricably intertwined. As long as the public labors in the false believe that 19 Islamic terrorists actually hijacked four commercial airliners, outfoxed the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, and committed these atrocities under the control of a man in a cave off in Afghanistan, we will continue to be manipulated by a crime syndicate posing as an administration.
__________________________McKnight Professor Emeritus, University of Minnesota, Duluth; Founder, Scholars for 9/11 Truth; Editor, Assassination Research
For what it's worth, I agree
For what it's worth, I agree that there are far too many unanswered questions about 9/11 and that it is a very important event in our history given the consequences. There is still much debate raging among academics about Pearl Harbor and to my best understanding the mind/body problem has not been resolved. Healthy debate should always be encouraged in a free society even if we debate the meaning of the absurd.
__________________________Work and struggle and never accept an evil that you can change -- Andre Gide
I tried to make it clear in
I tried to make it clear in my comment that I didn't intend any disparagement of you or other responsible researchers on the unanswered questions about 9/11.
My point was simply that when the issue was discussed on Daily Kos, it went horribly wrong, with a flood of crazy comments and irresponsible speculation.
Not every issue can be profitably discussed in every forum. A trivial example: I often post on ArsMathematica.net where remarks about Gnedenko's refinement of central limit theorems in probability (http://www.arsmathematica.net/archives/2008/03/18/looting-the-library/#c...) arouse a certain amount of interest. The same sort of thing on Daily Kos would be pointless.
Likewise with 9/11. I respect you and Steven Jones and many other responsible researchers on the unanswered questions, but the idea of reading through another set of comments on this issue on Daily Kos inspires me with total aversion.
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I liked your previous
I liked your previous post
which was very gracious. If we want to know what happened on 9/11, we are going to have to confront the evidence and, if the evidence supports painful conclusions, we may have to deal with painful realities about our government and our history.
__________________________McKnight Professor Emeritus, University of Minnesota, Duluth; Founder, Scholars for 9/11 Truth; Editor, Assassination Research
Well, I might as well take a
Well, I might as well take a break from crusading against Barack Obama and tilt at a different windmill for a change.
A Zogby poll published in September 2007 indicates that most of the public realizes there are unanswered questions about 9/11. The most salient statistic is that 67% believe that the collapse of Building 7 should have been investigated instead of completely ignored by the 9/11 Commission.
Building 7 wasn't hit by an airplane, and yet it collapsed in its own footprint, just like the twin towers. None of the already dubious explanations for the collapse of the towers can possibly apply.
Does this call for more discussion in open forums?
Absolutely not. What it calls for is some old fashioned detective work, and when I say old fashioned, I'm talking about Sam Spade and Philip Marlowe, and not another brigade of mechanical engineers.
If the twin towers and Building 7 were brought down with explosives, then dozens of people had to be involved with setting an enormous number of charges and maintaining secrecy in the meantime.
This would be a large-scale criminal conspiracy, and if the FBI isn't going to break the case, then the 9/11 Truth community should hire some hard-nosed ex-cops and ex-agents to do it for them. If this community is so feeble that it can't raise a few hundred thousand dollars to hire a platoon of head-breaking detectives, then it's too feeble to be a player on the big stage of national politics.
The last thing anybody needs is more discussion in open forums, where crazies inevitably mix in with responsible researchers and discredit the whole undertaking.
__________________________http://jacobfreeze.com
Daily Kos chooses not to
Daily Kos chooses not to discuss 9-11 and "disses" anyone closely connected with 9-11 truth search. I do not think this is wise or right, just the facts.
Markos Moulitsas Zuniga ( "Kos" ) is perhaps still connected with the CIA. Many of us keep concluding "once in the CIA, always in the CIA."
This article by Kurt Nimmo elaborates.
"http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/090807_b_kos.htm
Daily Kos: CIA Engineered Controlled Opposition?
Kurt Nimmo
Thursday, August 9, 2007
Is it possible Markos Alberto Moulitsas Zúñiga, leader of the “Kossaks,” that is to say followers and fawners of the Daily Kos, is a CIA operative? Francis Holland, posting on the My Left Wing messageboard, details Moulitsas’ relationship with the CIA:
“Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, owner of the DailyKos website, now admits that he spent six months in the employ of the US Central Intelligence Agency in 2001,” writes Holland. “In a one-hour interview on June 2, 2006 interview at the Commonwealth Club, Moulitsas, also known as ‘Kos,’ admitted that he was a CIA employee and would have ‘no problem working for them’ in the present.” "
The Right AND the Left are infiltrated and being steered in the same direction.
This is news to me. Do you
This is news to me. Do you have a link to the interview at the Commonwealth Club?
__________________________http://jacobfreeze.com
You will find a link to the
You will find a link to the audio of the Commonwealth speech here...
http://truth-about-kos.blogspot.com/2007/08/indictment-of-markos-ca-moul...
Also, if you google Kos CIA, a file will come up that has a transcript of the Commonwealth speech. Kos when he was a young man was a Reagan Young Republican and "trained /worked" at the CIA for a short period of time.