In his nationally televised speech tonight, Barack Obama tried to convince American voters that when Jeremiah Wright screams "God damn America!" in Trinity United Church of Christ, and the congregation cheers, it's just a holdover of bitterness from the days of Jim Crow, just an isolated outburst of justifiable indignation.
But "God damn America!" is a fundamental component of Pastor Wright's world-view, systematically developed in the black power theology of his mentor, Professor James Cone of the Union Theological Seminary.
Pastor Wright insisted on his connection with James Cone in a weird interview with Sean Hannity:
Wright: How many of Cone's books have you read? How many of Cone's book have you read?
Sean Hannity: Reverend, Reverend?
(crosstalk)
Wright: How many books of Cone's have you read?
Sean Hannity obviously hasn't read any of James Cone's books, and neither have most of the apologists for Pastor Wright.
Professor Cone preaches a very unusual version of the Gospels:
Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy.
Professor Cone is a "much admired figure" at Barack Obama's church in Chicago, according to a very sympathetic profile in The Christian Century.
There is no denying, however, that a strand of radical black political theology influences Trinity. James Cone, the pioneer of black liberation theology, is a much-admired figure at Trinity. Cone told me that when he's asked where his theology is institutionally embodied, he always mentions Trinity. Cone's groundbreaking 1969 book Black Theology and Black Power announced: "The time has come for white America to be silent and listen to black people. . . . All white men are responsible for white oppression. . . . Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man 'the devil.'
Many apologists for Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright claim the video of Wright screaming "God damn America!" has been taken out of context, but the real context doesn't make it sound any better.
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Your comment is far too late
Your comment is far too late to be relevant to the election, which is what I assume you care about. Obama has already said that he repudiates the objectionable part of Wright's theology. Period. If he repudiates them when Wright says them, he surely repudiates the two-degrees-of-separation thoughts of Wright's mentor.
Your approach comes awfully close to McCarthyism, in which it's not enough to be responsible for your thoughts, it's not enough to even denounce someone else's, you become tainted by the thoughts of an ASSOCIATE of the person whose teachings you have ALREADY DENOUNCED. I believe in free thought, thank you very much, and in the right of each person to listen to others AND to pick and choose which parts of that person's worldview to reject.
But if it turns out that Cone's neighbor's niece's roommate doesn't like white people, please keep us posted.
Wright's connection with
Wright's connection with Cone is important because it shows that screaming "God damn America!" wasn't just a moment of temporary insanity. It was a fundamental component of Wright's world-view, and it was a fundamental component of the theology of the church Obama attended for 20 years, and Obama knew it.
It isn't a question of freedom of thought, and it isn't about race.
It doesn't matter what color the pastor or congregation may be. As soon as whoever starts screaming "God damn America!" it's time for anybody who wants to be President to confront this hate speech or walk out.
Playing along with hate-America rhetoric and hoping nobody notices... It isn't acceptable for any candidate of any color.
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You have an extremely narrow
You have an extremely narrow vision of freedom of thought, then.
There are certain kinds of speech that need to be confronted immediately because they are clear incitement to violence, especially when directed against a powerless enemy. I'm sorry, but "Damn America!" doesn't qualify, unless you think that some entity in the sky is awfully suggestible. And as you surely should know by now, Obama wasn't even in the audience when that was said. Neither were you, which makes it pretty easy for you to determine how other people should have acted under those circumstances.
What you're saying is that because "Damn America!" offends you, you have the right to determine that anyone who listened to that pastor in the past without walking out has failed morally. That's awfully convenient. What did you do when war was declared against Iraq, or when prisoners were tortured in Guantanamo, or when New Orleans drowned? These were cases where people, not just your sensibilities, suffered. And how would you feel if I declared that whatever you did was not enough and you're not fit to run for any office?
Well, guess what? Based on your selectively sanctimonious and blind reading of other people's actions, I don't think that you would get my vote.
And this is why he will not
And this is why he will not be voted in .if you dont think that he knew what was being preeched in his church for 20 years. you cant be that blind .or can you? New Orleans was no ones falt It was a act of natecher IM realy tired of hearing about Guantanamo. move on! Talk to some POW thell tell you somthing. But it wont matter to you your stuck on the same old things.
I understand the {god dam
I understand the {god dam America} part. In our church we Qusten Why should god bless America Theologically "SIN"runs rammped! Why would GOD bless a nation that rejectes GOD.But I do have a problem with with the hattred amied at ME as a white American. I realy thought that we were riseing above this kind of theology in America Gess its like the teaching of Hitler.I truly was shocked to hear this so close to the posabel next presadent of America.And then you read his wifes papper on rase ITs got me little gun shy
Jacob, have you listened to
Jacob, have you listened to the entire sermon or only what you have seen on television? I'm curious. Thank you.
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There is no context that
There is no context that makes "God damn America!" sound any better to me.
I watched the longest version of the sermon on YouTube, and that's about all I want to see of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Hate-freaks like Wright and his mentor james Cone are a disgrace to the black community they claim to represent.
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Then truly you are as
Then truly you are as closed-minded as you would accuse someone else of. Have a great day!
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I read most of what there is
I read most of what there is on the net about Wright and a whole pile of trash from James Cone.
Have you read the complete Mein Kampf? How much of the raving of hate-freaks and idiots do you think someone has to read before they know what's going on?
Pretending that no one should criticize a hate-monger like Wright unless they read his complete works is just another bullshit way for Obama's disciples to try to weasel out of the fact that Wright screamed "God damn America!" in 2003 and Obama never objected until he got outed by ABC in 2008.
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Mein Kampf never ended in
Mein Kampf never ended in hope for all people. Your stating over the top rhetoric. No one is pretending to ignore what is wrong with Wright's speech. That is completely disingenious on your part. Cone's work isn't as widespread as your claiming it to be and you have no idea what Obama did or didn't criticize regarding Wright.
If Wright were as anti-American that you are so hyperbolically claiming (because it's pretty obvious that you don't like Obama as a candidate), then his church would have armed guards at the door keeping all of the white congregants of the United Church of Christ, out of Trinity. But guess what, it's not.
Where did Wright ever extort genocide for white people in America? Point it out to me cause I really want to know. The thing is, you can't. You can feigned outrage because you truly believe that America has done no wrong, at all, at anytime in her long, illustrious history.
God Damn America is right, for willful ignorance of some of the bad things she's done for the sake of political manuevering. And God Bless America for the majority of good things she's done, too.
This is same reason we are in an endless war in Iraq: because people refuse to look at their country objectively. No more, no less.
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The hypocrite Obama is
The hypocrite Obama is perfectly willing to sacrifice the interests of black Americans when it serves his own ambition; for example, in his support for the NRA in Heller v. District of Columbia.
If you bother to follow the links in my diaries, or do a little research for yourself, you will discover that the hate-freak James Cone has more influence on Obama's church than any other theologian.
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My friend, I grew up in the
My friend, I grew up in the Black Church and I have studied history and know about Cone. Thank you very much that you are able to teach me because without you, I would know nothing. And so what if has influenced the church? Has there been physical violence against white people coming from this church that I should know about and that's why you are screeching about Cone? Is there some reason why Union Theological Seminary lets him teach there? For a community that finds it difficult to fit into the wider White world, what is so challenging to you that he espouses liberation through the greatest symbol of liberation that there is? Jesus has been turned from a Jewish man to a White icon, why can't he become a Black liberator, too. Jesus says, "I am all things to all people."
And tell me, do YOU think America is always right? And if so, why? Always? You are obviously and intelligent individual, so tell me: has America ALWAYS been correct in her dealings with the world?
As to the NRA law, I will look into it, thank you.
Your screaming posts do nothing to make anyone want to pay attention to you. They come off as a bit unhinged. Maybe you need to take a step back and and rethink how your screaming only weakens your arguments and not strengthen them.
Once again, have a great day.
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James Cone's hate speech has
James Cone's hate speech has no connection whatsoever to Jesus as he is portrayed in the Gospels.
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Cone's book has been around
Cone's book has been around since 1969. It hasn't been hidden under a rock, traded secretly in underground communities. You have just found out about him and now you know everything from one paragraph? Hmm. Again, I ask you: if Cone was such a giant purveyor of killing, why does he teach at Union Theological Seminary? Last time I heard, UTS was one of the most respected Seminaries in the country. I'm sure they let crazed killers on their staff. Not.
Black liberation theology partly comes out of 1969, after James Forman delivered his "Black Manifesto" to the Riverside Church. The Black Manifesto expressly targeted Protestant churches demanding reparations for blacks. Here's what Forman said about the Church later in life in order to elucidate the Manifesto and the feelings at the time of the church as an oppresor of blacks at the time:
1969 was the height of black anger and demands for true equal rights, particularly at the height of the Vietnam War. Black power was translated into black liberation and based on the black soul being freed from mental and spiritual oppression. In that, it's similar to liberating the Christian soul from sin.
At the time, it and is for those who follow it, an attempt to turn their backs on the larger society that would reject them in the first place while lifting up their blackness as a thing of pride, which is not necessarily found in the larger society. Morally, they believe that God, as a just savior, is on their side because he is the true liberator of those who are oppressed. It's a theory and I challenge you to find a black church that has actually killed a white church based on your limited knowledge of black liberation theology.
From Wikipedia: Cone has responded to the controversy by noting that he was generally writing about white churches that did nothing to oppose slavery and segregation and not about white people as individuals.[1]
In addition, you post a paragraph from a book. Great. But you keep claiming that Obama is guilty by association. This is a stretch to say the least.
I ask you again, if the only message from Cone's idea are you posted in a single paragraph, please, tell me where the black church in America is that has killed a white church lately?
Black liberation theology is theoretical; it posits that if blacks cannot get justice from the larger community that they are in, that they create their own community and their own God by metaphorically "killing the oppressor" thereby liberating themselves to be able to live in the larger society. Again, I ask you, where is the black church that you have found that actually has killed a white church in America?
And again, I ask you, what does this have to do with Obama? I'm not saying Cone's theories are not over the top. I agree with you on that, but it comes at the height of a history that you have idea about. And the guilt by association thing is laughable. Where have you seen or read Obama saying anything that comes even close to what Cone posits? You haven't and you can't.
Forbes did an interview with Cone on liberation theology's origins.
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Claiming Martin Luther King
Claiming Martin Luther King as a predecessor of hate freaks like James Cone and Jeremiah Wright is a new low even for Obama's shameless supporters.
The fact that Cone's book was written in 1969 would mean something if his "theology" were significantly different today, but nothing much has changed for Cone and Wright in the last 40 years, although the rest of America has moved far beyond the legacy of Jim Crow.
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Gimme me a friggin break. I
Gimme me a friggin break. I write to you a historical basis of this theory and you come back at me with it being a "new low"? A new low written over 40 years ago? It's like talking to yourself, but without the entertainment. By the way, Cone wrote a book from 1996 called "Martin and Malcolm and America: A Dream or a Nightmare." So right, supporters of Obama are only NOW talking about Martin Luther King and black liberation theology. Geez, the head explodes.
From that same article you pick and choose from:
Your arguments are specious and willfully ignorant. You take a balanced review of Wright's church from that article and pick and chose, just like Fox News.
Furthermore, you fail to answer simple questions: where is the black church that has killed a white church according to your version of black liberation theology gleamed from what you've read online or what soundbyte Nationalism you seem to like?
What has Barack Obama written that says "kill the white folks" if that is your interpretation of black liberation theology?
Why is Cone a professor at the well-regarded UTS if that's all he's about?
Anyway, it's like talking to a brick wall and is again one of the primary reasons we as a country get into messy and tainted wars and foreign policy: willful ignorance of facts and logical reasoning, even when presented with a basic historical understanding. Tis a pity our country suffers from such a fatal disease.
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Obama couldn't possibly be a
Obama couldn't possibly be a hypocrite, even if...
He attacks Hillary about NAFTA and votes for NAFTA-Peru himself.
He attacks Hillary about voting for the War Powers act, and votes to fund the war himself with no timeline for withdrawal.
He supports an individual right to bear arms in Heller v. District of Columbia that will cost the lives of thousands of black teenagers like Jamiel Shaw Jr.
He promotes a sham no-mandate healthcare plan and attacks Hillary for proposing the mandates that are absolutely necessary.
And he couldn't be a hypocrite just because pretends to be post-racial and then spends 20 years in a congregation that cheers when their hate-freak preacher screams "God damn America!"
Maybe that's your vision of the inauguration of Barack Obama:
Instead of the usual invocation, Jeremiah Wright screams "God damn America!" and Barack Obama pretends he isn't there!
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And you STILL won't answer
And you STILL won't answer my questions but come back with Soundbyte Nationalism.
BTW, where's that example black church attacking a white church and killing them? Where's that example of what Obama said that conforms to every whacked out idea of Wright's and Cones? And why does UTS still have a crazed killer like Cone teaching?
When do you start telling me what your candidate is for instead of what my candidate is against?
==He attacks Hillary about NAFTA and votes for NAFTA-Peru himself.
Yes, he did vote for it. And yes, would you believe that Obama is a centrist candidate, almost as Centrist as clinton. She supported NAFTA and yet backtracks when it's politically convenient to say that she didn't support it. Excellent! And yes, because I'm an objective human being, I know that there is a disconnect between his support for Peru, which he says is because of its safeguards for American workers. He never said he wasn't for free trade. And he never said he was opposed to NAFTA, but that he wanted tougher standards.
==He attacks Hillary about voting for the War Powers act, and votes to fund the war himself with no timeline for withdrawal.
Right. This argument I've heard a thousand times. But really, I WASN'T against funding the war since we were already there and had to support the troops. I know a lot of liberals thought that funding should stop but I wasn't one of them. Oh, and by the way, he introduced a bill called the Iraq De-Escalation Act of 2007 in January of last year. "This plan would not only place a cap on the number of troops in Iraq and stop the escalation, more importantly, it would begin a phased redeployment of U.S. forces with the goal of removing of all U.S. combat forces from Iraq by March 31st, 2008 - consistent with the expectations of the bipartisan Iraq study group that the President has so assiduously ignored." Go figure!!
==He supports an individual right to bear arms in Heller v. District of Columbia that will cost the lives of thousands of black teenagers like Jamiel Shaw Jr.
I'm originally from inner-city Detroit and yes I do have a problem with gun control measures that can potentially flood the streets with more guns. But his stance is that you have to balance out the 2nd amendment with real and tough screening laws. This is an issue that needs to both tread the Constitution, satisfy gun owners (eek) and protect the country, particularly the inner-city. I know it's a fine line to satisfy everyone. And there is an inherent dichotomy between the Constitution with its rights to bear arms and protect the citizenry. However, from what I understand, Obama and Clinton both have not signed the amicus brief in favor of overturning the ban. Funny that!
==He promotes a sham no-mandate healthcare plan and attacks Hillary for proposing the mandates that are absolutely necessary.
Personally, I don't think whatever bill either candidate proposes initially will pass the Congress without serious amendments dealing with issues from both sides of the aisle. Having healthcare for all Americans is an issue that needs transperancy and frankly, I don't think Sen. Clinton is capable of it. I don't think Universal Healthcare as a jumping off point will ever pass initially. You have to ease your way up to such a drastic change in the thinking of the American people, who will cry "socialized medicine" and squelch it immediately.
==And he couldn't be a hypocrite just because pretends to be post-racial and then spends 20 years in a congregation that cheers when their hate-freak preacher screams "God damn America!"
Let's see, I'm also bi-racial and growing up in an African-American home, I can pretty much tell you whatever Obama has or has not heard, he's had to take it all with a grain of salt from both whites and blacks. And, as I said before, God Damn America if she can't own up to her mistakes and attempt to rectify them. I won't be blinded with Soundbyte Nationalism. Sorry, not going to do it. OH, but wait! It's Obama's pastor that said these things and not Obama himself. I should hold Obama accountable for EVERYTHING that ANYONE has said NEAR him for the past 20 years! Do'h, why didn't I think of that?
You know what, this entire argument Rovian argument fomented by Lapel Pin Patriotism is one bogus crock of bullpuckey. Are you saying everyone in Trinity is unAmerican? Should we haul all 8,000 members off to a gulag somewhere in Cuba? Maybe detention camps somewhere in Arizona, would that satisfy you?
--Instead of the usual invocation, Jeremiah Wright screams "God damn America!" and Barack Obama pretends he isn't there!
This is hyperbole and not worthy of comment.
By the way, Clinton is my Senator. I voted for her twice. I think she is a good Senator but I don't want her as a President. I'm tired of the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton dynasty that we've gone through for the last 20 years. Enough already.
So, if you want an irrational and argumentative construct because you can't handle someone speaking to you like an adult, you're not going to get it from me. If you want to have a discussion, that's something completely different. Other that that, like I've said before, I hope you have a great day!
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T Ann: As a gesture of good
T Ann: As a gesture of good will, I hereby induct you into the Barack Obama Order of True Believers, and include you in my vision of Obama's inauguration, where you cheer while Jeremiah Wright screams "God damn America!" and Barack Obama pretends he isn't there.
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Thank you for another round
Thank you for another round of hyperbole not worthy of comment.
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It’s easy for pseudonymous
It’s easy for pseudonymous posters to insult the memory of hundreds of thousands of Union soldiers who died to give black Americans the freedom they enjoy today.
They are America, and when I hear Jeremiah Wright scream "God damn America!"...
Let's just say I wouldn't sit quietly in my pew like Barack Obama.
Here’s a news flash for all of you ignorant pseudonyms: It wasn’t Malcolm X who freed the slaves.
It was hundreds of thousands of European immigrants who died most of them miserably from infections in primitive hospitals.
Remember them the next time you hear some hate-freak scream “God damn America!”
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Thank you for another round
Thank you for another round of hyperbole.
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